Uncivil in Seattle

I agree Joe, there is a time and a place for everything, in the middle of a gay pride parade, I can't see any point in provoking them. sad tho, that it has come to this, freedom of speech is no longer tolerated, more and more you see people retracting what they said.

thank you for your insights and thoughts much appreciated!

Wow...really wow. I watched the video and read the article and the comments. Someone in the comment area said the man that was arrested for assault was a straight married man. He was still a participant in the Pridefest. I have read the % of homosexuals is only about three to four percent...but that doesn't include all those that support them who's numbers are likely alot higher. When I have gotten blasted, its been mostly by their supporters. I didn't see any thing on that sign that used the words, gay, or homosexual. I was kind of surprised actually some of the things it had on their like TV worship. But since the first word was Idol worship I guess the following things were possible idols? Just wasn't exactly what I would expect to be on a sign (or what you usually see at a gay pride gathering by Christians). Not really sure why he picked those topics leaving the obvious out...unless there was something on the back of his sign. The hatred from them is very, very intense. :( There is no open mindedness about others having other view points and certainly no tolerance and NO freedom of speech in voicing those either. I will check out all those other links too...I am still processing this one. That girl...or rather young mother...that was in the preachers face cussing and carrying on. I wonder who was watching her baby in the stroller while she was doing that?

Frightening intolerant lot of folks, God help us all, God help our country.

media propaganda, this is splattered all over, but nothing, absolutely nothing about the two gay men from Australia who sexually abused their adopted son, you have to search pretty hard to find anything about that. what's the agenda? what there isn't one?

Children are sexually abused every day, including those by their parents, unfortunately. Does it matter what sexual orientation or gender the perpetrators are? Crime is crime, and no group as a whole (black, white, gay, straight, Christian, Muslim, etc.) should be blamed for it.

Charles, that is true, but if we accept perversion one way or the other, how long before we accept any kind of perversion. I agree that we shouldn't blame groups as a whole, but I do think if we call sin good, we are opening the doors to worse ones. how far away is NAMBLA now that gay marriage is the norm? where will it end? on another discussion someone did the statistics and it's absolutely scary what it adds up to. don't want to get into an argument here on this. but check up on it.....

Joe, I apologize in advance, I did a copy/paste here, if you feel you should delete this just go to http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/model-gay-adoptive-fathers-sexually-abused-6-year-old-for-years-offered-him and read all of the comments.

"The facts which no one argues (even pro-gays):
#1 Almost all sexual abuse of minors is committed by men.
#2 Abuse of boys is 20-33% of total sexual abuse of minors. Studies vary wildly within the 20-33% number but that seems to be the outer bounds. To be fair to homosexuals, I will use the more forgiving number of 20% for all calculations.
#3 Homosexual men (I exclude lesbians as this we are discussing only molestation of boys here, and they are only an extra 1% anyhow which wouldn't affect the conclusions greatly) are 2-3% of the USA population, shown by almost all post-Kinsey studies and polls, including the US Census, and easily found even on pro-gay sites. To be generous to the homosexual cause, I will make a massive leap by using 4% gay male population for all calculations.
Now, where the pro-gays and pro-heteros differ is simply on the definition of gay and the fundamental notion of what sexual abuse of minors is. The pro-gays require a massive leap of double-think to make their case. Hey, don't listen to me (or them), just THINK about it in your own head for a while.
If we make the simple and rational definitional choice that:
#4 All male/male sexual behavior is "gay", and choosing to have male/male sexual relations of any kind makes you "gay". Ignore for now the nebulous undefinable "bi" realm. Note, this definition does not mandate specific ages of participants. If you are male and 100 years old, and choose to have sex with another male of any age, you are gay. Likewise for an 18 year old. I make no statement about males who can't consent (minors) or males who are forced or coerced. Being gay-raped doesn't make you gay, but it certainly makes the gay-rapist gay. Conversely, if you are male of any age and choose to have sex with a 100 year old male, you are gay. Likewise for an 18 year old. Likewise for a 5 year old. The age of your partner or target does not enter in the definition of "gay".
This is extremely self-evident. This is extremely logical. If you refuse to shake off your brainwashing and try to refute the above, fine, I will deal with that in turn. The above definition is what anyone and everyone from the year 1990 and earlier to before the time of Christ or Abraham would accept as simple fact. For now, we must have a firm definition and the above works well.
Now, by simple math and logic:
By #1 and #2: 20% of sexual abuse of minors is gay (per #4).
By #3, gays males are 4% of the population.
Therefore 4% of the population commits 20% of the sexual abuse.
20/4 = 5: ergo gays commit 5X more sexual abuse of minors than heterosexuals.
Since I was generous to the pro-gay cause with my 20% and 4% numbers, I must note that if you use the more realistic (median) numbers of, say 25% and 3%, you get an even worse number of 8X.
But the precise number of times is irrelevant. The only relevant point is that it is greater than one! If gays are even 1.1X (let alone 5X) more responsible for sexual abuse of children, then gays cannot claim, as they always do, that gays don't abuse children at greater rates.
Why aren't people up in arms? Because the gay agenda has brainwashed everyone into believing the lie that males sexually abusing male minors are not gay. I cry foul. My simple test is always thus: if you are male and like others' certain male body part, you are gay. Period.

Actually it is much higher. If you separate incest from the statistic, because incest is a different phenomenon and, after all, if you are the parent you know damned well you're not committing it, then many more than 20 percent of molested / seduced / raped children and teenagers are boys. Now, suppose it is 20 percent as you say (and it isn't, it's higher), and suppose that 4 percent of men are gay (and they aren't, it's lower). You still have to factor in something else. That is, 96 heterosexual men are responsible for 80 crimes, while 4 homosexual men are responsible for 20 crimes. That means that the given homosexual man is 96 x 20 / 80 x 4 = 6 times more likely to commit this crime! But if you use the more reasonable number, say, 40 percent of all children abused by somebody outside of the nuclear family are abused by men, and if you say that 3 percent (still too high) of men are homosexual, that means that 3 men are responsible for 40 crimes, while 97 heterosexual men are responsible for 60 crimes. That would make the given homosexual man 97 x 40 / 3 x 60 = roughly 22 times as likely.."

That's way off. It's essentially applying the "one drop rule" to sexuality. If everyone who had a sexual experience with somebody of the same gender at least once was "gay", it would be over half of the population; MUCH, much higher than the conservative estimate of 1-2%.

Also, at least 10% of people who identify as "heterosexual" admit having partial or even complete same-sex attractions.

Also, most men who sexually abuse boys actually have sexual relationships with adult women, and many of them molest children of both genders (gender isn't generally an issue for them). Only about a fifth of them are exclusively homosexual.

Charles, Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Do you really think that we will get away with letting all this happen and not reap the consequences? This is only the beginning. Because we no longer call sin, a sin, we nod and wink and turn the other way, that when we give the hand to one perversion the others will and do follow! The innocent children are the ones suffering. What chance do they have when we no longer teach them by example and by God’s word? These are the wages of sexual sin. We will NOT get away with it. "[God] gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done." "Although they know God's righteousness decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things, but also approve of those who practice them." Now don’t get me wrong, I am not saying homosexuality is the only perversion, far from it, and we are seeing the consequences for what we have let into our churches and our homes. If we do not live according to God’s word this is what will happen! And does happen!

Be they homosexual or bi or even straight, if we ignore God and think Him a fool this is what happens.

There is an interesting article that I read online somewhere, why God commanded the Israelites to kill everyone including women and children when they conquered the Canaanites. This author had some very good and valid points that these people were so depraved with sexual sin and with worshiping their idols that their children, innocent babies were molested and offered to their idols. That God was being merciful when He told them to kill the children. From today we know what trauma sexual abused children go through and with all the counseling and help sometimes even then they carry those scars all through out their lives. and continue the cycle of abuse. So we can only imagine what trauma those children who had absolutely no guidance to a God what they went through and what they would have done had they lived.

But that is not what I am trying to say here, only that if we live as if there were no God in Heaven this is what we reap.

You think only people who don't believe in God do that? What about all the priests, pastors, rabbis, etc. who molest kids? Apparently they don't believe what they're doing is wrong in the eyes of God.

whoa Charles that is NOT what I'm saying or trying to convey here, if anything I am saying so called Christians that do that will answer for so much more! I realize that there are many that call themselves such, and they have deceived many, but no way do I give them any support, and to them I say esp. "God will not be mocked!" because they by their actions are mocking God and all He stands for if they hide behind the church and their positions and do harm to His innocents.

I also realize that a lot of harm has been done in the name of God and Christianity, but that does not excuse anyone else. two wrongs do not make one right.

Hi Julie, nice post, :-) about the Canaanite, of course there is no 'evidence' that sexual abuse was prevalent but I googled it and a number of blogs came up and most of them this is what they thought, the question was why God would tell the Israelites to kill all even the babies, and I guess this is the most common theory. we don't always understand His whys, but we know His way is the best......for me it is abhorrent but I rest in the thought that those children even if they were killed are in God's hands and we can be certain that Satan will not be getting his hands on them.

Do you have any idea how young Mary was when she got pregnant? Do you know what was the average marriage age for girls in ancient Israel?